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Monday, November 22, 2004

Weekend Sports Wrap: A Brawl That (Shocker!) Wasn't Worth It
I once read a quote from a certain Charles (either Oakley or Barkley) saying that NBA players could get into a fight every night if they wanted to. The play is that physical, the fans that confrontational. And so I guess, for the most part, they don't want to fight.

I can understand that. Why, after working your entire life to reach the dream of playing in the NBA, would you risk physical injury or suspension that would jeopardize the fruits of labor required to be among the top one percent of one percent at what you do?

For Ron Artest, who was suspended for the rest of year by NBA commissioner David Stern, it was because a fan chucked a cup of beer at him. That was enough to scratch an entire year from his NBA life. As we know, professional sporting careers have a limited lifespan, and Artest cost himself a full year because he needed to protect his manhood.

There are no winners coming out of Friday's fracas. Isn't it the way it always works? There will be more fights, in bars and at stadiums, that are fueled by alcohol, and there still won't be any winners. There will be injuries and scars, suspensions and jail time, but there will be nothing but losers.

It isn't surprising that the cups flying in Detroit were filled not with soda or water, but rather beer. Not surprising that the aggressive fans were men. Sad and pathetic, dangerous and cowardly, but not surprising. This is our live sporting culture, one fueled by alcohol and mob violence, and we'll see more scenes like Friday night in Detroit until teams hire enough security to offset beer sales, and until fans recognize their responsibility to help said security, by pointing out infractions that endanger viewing enjoyment, if not physical well-being.

Other Weekend Sports Takes:

• The Pistons obviously banked some significant coin on beer sales Friday night. They could do worse than donate that money to a good cause, as a reward for those who did imbibe and didn't embarrass themselves.

• Now, if I may laugh a bit at this, I ain't fucking with the Pacers in a dark alley anytime soon. Artest dusted that innocent Steve Bartman lookalike in about .42 seconds. It was like he disappeared down a Mr. Spacely escape hatch. Then they just crushed that fat blob who was carrying the most deadly of weapons, a towel. If there's anything funnier than a macho chunkmonster getting flattened it's ... Jamaal Tinsley brandishing a metal dustpan over his head. When shit gets tight, he goes straight to the janitor's closet. Obviously, one of the most unintentionally funny moments in sports history. EA Sports has got to add a "get a dustpan" cheat code for NBA Live 2006.

• I went to Giants Stadium and a game of Madden 2004 broke out! Yep, I was there Sunday to see the dawn of Eli Manning's career and the end of the Giants' season. I picked up a couple of below-face seats high in the end zone, so my perspective of the game was just like in Madden. Not only that, but some of the stadium music was the same as in the game, the Giants forgot about their wide receivers (just like I do) and I swear Michael Vick performed exactly the same. He'd turn the corner easily for 15 yards a pop. I've posted some pictures from the game, but none of the late third-down penalty that may have been the worst I've ever seen live at a football game.

• Shared by PK.com reader Art, this comment from Steelers owner Dan Rooney on what his father would think about the current NFL culture: : "I don't think he's be too thrilled about what's going on today," said Dan Rooney who has run the Steelers since his father's death. "I can remember him telling me, 'You'll rue the day you take all the money from the networks. It won't be our game as much anymore. It'll be their game.' He even told us late in his life that it would be OK if we ever decided to sell the team. He reminded us we weren't big money people."

Today's Sports Links:

Can't Stand for It — Peter Vecsey's take on the brawl. "Anyone who tuned into ESPN with 45.9 seconds remaining in the Pacers' persuasive 15-point victory must've thought the Vibe Awards had broken out."

Blame it on Dumb View of Respect — Mitch Albom on lengths the Pistons, Pacers and fans went to because they felt disrespected.

How Syracuse Can Muddy Utah's Status — According to this article, if Pittsburgh (+4) can upset West Virginia at home Thursday and Syracuse (+10) can upset Boston College on the road Saturday, then the Orange will prevail in a four-way, first-place tie for the Big East's BCS slot. I haven't been able to confirm this elsewhere, either because it's not true or, more likely, Syracuse has no chance to actually beat a team better than Rutgers.

College Football's 10 Best Helmets — An interesting, if completely subjective, list by SI.com. For a look at all helmets, pro and college, current and past, visited the remarkably complete Helmet Project.

Gammons: Projecting 500-HR Guys — Toward the end of this column, Peter Gammons runs down active MLB players projected to reach 500 career home runs. Barry Bonds with 918? I don't think so. Jim Thome (now 34) with 644? Could happen with five more good years. Also of significant interest, projected 2005 stats for this winter's free-agent batters.

Mark Cuban Fined for Blogging — It was bound to happen, the Mavs' owner writes, and it did. (Thanks, Shumpy)

SI Writers Pick Their Sportsmen of the Year — About 40 columns dedicated to the magazine's biggest honor. I have a feeling I'm not gonna like the selection, though I guess there's an outside chance that Barry Bonds could finally get one, or that perhaps he'll share it with Roger Clemens as an over-40 salute.

SI.com's Hot Stove Analysis — Quick takes on free-agent signings. Sure to pick up in the coming months, so keep it bookmarked.

Tentative 2005 Yankees Schedule — The official sked has not been released but a superfan pieced together a schedule, with some holes, based on tentative schedules already released by other teams. Cubs at Yankee Stadium from June 17-19 is a must-go, as is at least one more weekend trip to Baltimore.

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Comments: Weekend Sports Wrap: A Brawl That (Shocker!) Wasn't Worth It

Paul,
I think the Clemson / South Carolina brawl was even worse than the Pistons / Pacers brawl mainly because it was colligate. I think both Tubberville & Holtz are both outstanding coaches and for this to happen on Holtz’s last game is a disgrace to both programs and shows a lack of respect for the coaching staff, especially the head coaches, which in the colligate ranks you’re suppose to admire like a father figure. (Paterno, Bryant, Osborne, Fry, Bowden, Hayes, Dye, Schembechler….I could go one and on. These men demanded respect!)
Watching that brawl, then thinking of my Cornhuskers getting into like that made me very upset. I’d like to think that could never happen at Nebraska, however for the second year in a row we did take out students from the opposing teams. Last year, the kid from Mizzu got knocked out, this year the Hillbilly from OU lost his teeth. Oh well…
Those fuckers shouldn’t be on the field anyway!!!

Now as far as the Pacers, Pistons. I blame Artest 100% ALL THE WAY!!!! Like I’ve always said, “Once you give it away, you never get it back” The NBA has given it away.
Isn’t Artest the guy who wanted to get time off from the Pacers so he could go on the road and promote his new RAP CD? I think this is a set-up that got out of hand. Artest wanted to get suspended... that’s my opinion. And since he’s uneducated and a non rational thinker, instead of walking off the court in disgust when he was hit with the “plastic cup” he charged the stands as did the rest of the uneducated non rational thinkers on the Pacers. That’s the NBA’s biggest problem…the players are just plain stupid!
Fans will always be fans, drunken obnoxious fuck-ups.

In my opinion, players who leave the field of play to charge the stands should be suspended for the season. Unless of course the players wife or family is being assaulted by drunken fans, then it’s a free for all.

And also in my opinion, both Clemson & USC should be “AWARDED” a loss for their stupidity.

Posted by Tequila Dave at November 22, 2004 7:40 AM

Sorry for getting my Bowdens and Tubbervilles mixed up....
They look the same to me!

Posted by Tequila Dave at November 22, 2004 8:04 AM

The NBA is, I think, the only professional sport where drunken fans can get as close to the players as they can- and do. It is something that needs to be addressed for the safety of all. Having said that, I believe the "brawl" really started on the court.

Athletes who play in major league sports are professionals; it's a business. Isn't that what their agents always say when negotiating contracts? Sure, the fans are important...but this is about Jock King and his bat/arm/jumper/etc. and Jock King can deliver and Big Owner is making lots of money and Jock King can help Big Owner's team and for that Jock King should get a lot of his money and Jock King is a professional who can WIN.

I don't know too many other professions where you literally punch out the opposition when you don't think they played fair. Sounds like an MTV fight to me....Donna Karan vs. Kate Spade...Bill Gates vs. Steve Jobs.... If professional athletes want to be treated as professionals, then they should act in a professional manner.

And Paulie? I've got dibs on your sofa next June for the Cubs series!!

Posted by lucy at November 22, 2004 9:38 AM

Hello.
I also blame Artest, time off to promote cd? I downloaded some tracks, bleech, garbage. 2 quick points, 1, Artest didn't want any part of Ben Wallace, kept retreating (although I would too), 2nd, ESPN played that footage out, but I can remember seeing girls in the stands who looked like they were throwing things also. Going off-track now, Shaq released a few cd's, he didn't ask for time off.

Posted by danny at November 22, 2004 10:08 AM

That NBA brawl was the worst thing I've ever seen in sports. It was an absolute disgrace to the profession.

The NBA did the right thing to Artest, and probably should have suspended any player who threw a punch in the stands for a year as well.

But on to the thing that really pisses me off: how do you not include Michigan's football helmet in the top ten? It's a fusion of old school and new. They got gypped.

Posted by Mike at November 22, 2004 11:36 AM

Hey Lucy, I'll be sure to get a Yankees blanket for ya.

And maybe we can hang with Sammy Sosa's, if he becomes a Met. He'll be on the road, so he'd have some free space. And we can comb through his collection of corked bats.

The more the Giants and Knicks suck, the more I miss baseball. So far, the Pacers losing all those guys to suspension was the greatest thing to happen to the Knicks all year.

Posted by Paul Katcher at November 22, 2004 12:15 PM

I'll bring a Cubs blanket; we can share.

Don't be dissing on Sammy, now- until he's a Mets player, that is...

Are the fans who were involved in the "altercation" at the Pacers-Pistons game going to be barred from NBA games in the future? Just wondering.

Posted by lucy at November 22, 2004 1:53 PM

This morning on NPR they were discussing the brawl, as well as the South Carolina - Clemson fight, when the commentator argued that if USC and Clemson want to regain respectability, they should give up their bowl bids. That's very true but I literally laughed at the notion of one of these universities doing the right thing when a bowl bid is on the line.

Great entry today; sometimes I wonder if the owners jacked the price of beer up beyond the reach of the average drunken fool, things might change, but then $7 is a lot to pay for a paper cup of cheap beer already.

Posted by stackpat at November 22, 2004 2:01 PM

The fans who were caught on tape inciting the ugliness have far worse things on their horizon than being barred from future NBA games. Think bars and jumpsuits.

That was an ugly and seriously dangerous scene -- one that made national news -- and I can't imagine any leniancy being given to anyone who actively participated in escalating it.

Posted by Paul Katcher at November 22, 2004 2:03 PM

100% Artest's fault? I think there is plenty of blame to go around. Ben Wallace over reacted to the foul. Fans shouldn't throw shit. Where the hell was security? I think I saw like 1 security guard.

And if the only thing keeping you from chucking your half kill onto the court is the fear that a 6'9" professional athelete might come kick your ass, then so be it.

Posted by Nick at November 22, 2004 3:41 PM

Well stackpat... I guess you're stunned now. USC and Clemson both say they will not accept bowl bids this year. Congrats to both administrations for doing the right thing. Those players don't deserve a bowl (I feel sorry for the fans, though). Maybe Syracuse will get one of their slots!!!

However, don't worry about Syracuse getting the Big East BCS slot. In a four way tie, the highest BCS ranked team would get the BCS bowl bid. I find it hard to believe a team that lost to Temple would be the higest ranked BCS team.

Finally, on the brawl... I blame Artest for going into the stands. Disgraceful and worthy of a long suspension. However, those two punks in Pistons gear who stepped onto the court to challenge Pacers players deserved to be cold-cocked. They're lucky it wasn't worse.

Where were the police officers? How come the only time I saw a cop with pepper spray it was pointed at Ron Artest?

Posted by CJ at November 22, 2004 6:45 PM

No excuse for what happened. The fans push and push past the limits, and the players went too far. However, I heard some interviews today that raised some Devil's Advocate points. One was from a former NBA player and current ESPN analyst. While he completely frowned upon everything that happened, he brought up the fact that when those few fans came onto the floor and started fights with Artest and O'Neal, the players did what probably anyone would do under the circumstances. They were worked up, adrenaline was pumping, there was a brawl going on. Who knows what some crazy ass fan is capable of doing (Monica Seles?). Another point he made was that as a Pacer, there were 20,000 fans against the 12 of them. It is understandable that the guys might have been feeling intense emotions at the time, including fear. Obviously security was nonexistent, so who is to say they're not just doing what they think is necessary to defend themselves once people come onto the floor. Jim Rome said today "you're taking your life in your hands by going on the floor at a time like that and provoking those guys." Things could have gotten much more out of control if the fans truly went nuts on those guys. But still, the whole thing was disgusting and something needs to be done. Sports has really changed in a bad way.

Posted by Cory at November 22, 2004 8:21 PM

PK,

I wasn't gonna comment on the recent basketbrawl or the Clem/SC bowl-costing-fiasco.

But I heard my local DJ's make a good point this AM. Where were the boobies? If there had been one good woman in either of those brawl camera shots who would have lifted up her shirt just think of the press THAT would have gotten for going out live!

I hope that some of PK.com's female readers will take this into consideration during their attendance at the next sporting event they go to.

- Lucy - Actually the NFL is fixing to start a program to get fans DOWN on the field. I believe the trial is this week. Let's see if they let that asshat John Green down there.

//Bring back hockey!

Posted by Shumpy at November 23, 2004 6:53 PM
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