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Tuesday, October 19, 2004

Thoughts on ALCS Game 5
I've given up on the message board generating interaction. I guess people are conditioned to posting comments below. Here we go...

• If home-field advantage is worth a field goal in football, it's worth twice as much when talking Fenway vs. Yankee Stadium in October. How do you bet against the last at-bat with these teams, who seem destined to break every "longest-game" record there is? Against each other, and including the playoffs, the Sox have won six of the last nine at Fenway, while the Yanks have won seven of eight in the Bronx.

• I don't need to see 120 crowd shots of Sox fans about to throw up on themselves. I get it: they're tortured, nervous and ugly. Enough, FOX.

• Even with the tension in Game 5, there were a lot of laughs with the guys I saw the game with at Brother Jimmy's on the Upper West Side. That happens when both teams have little options other than guys who are expected to get cranked. "You want Paul Quantrill?! Are you nuts?" "Mike Timlin looks like Mel Stottylemyre, 'cept Mel pitched in the 1960s." And ya' know what? Most of 'em came through (except Tom Gordon). Even Esteban Loaiza was throwing well, before losing on a bloop.

• Here are Mariano Rivera's blown saves in nine years' worth of playoffs: Sandy Alomar, Jr. hits an opposite-field home run with his eyes closed, Luis Gonzalez drives in a winning run on a bullshit hit that's in no one's dream growing up, Bill Mueller cracks a legitimate shot through the middle after a walk to a scrub and a steal by a pinch-runner whom I've never seen hit, and Mo gives up one hit and no earned runs the next night.

Pedro Martinez was mediocre ... again. Fourteen baserunners in six innings — six less than Mike Mussina — does not an ace make. The Yanks' bats just weren't timely, same as in Game 4.

• Not since Ken Griffey, Jr. and Edgar Martinez in 1995 have I been so scared of a one-two tandem such as the likes of Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz. On the flip side, Kevin Millar scares me like not at all. Like, if he were in the NL, we'd pitch to him so we didn't have to face the pitcher. And he's batting fifth.

• Is it just me, or does Yankee Stadium just feel twice as large as Fenway Park?

• You can't get on Alex Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield and Hideki Matsui — not after what they did Saturday night — but holy shit did they have some chances to win the pennant on Monday. 1-for-15. That's all, folks.

• Five hours and 49 minutes for a baseball game?

• The non-strike on Manny Ramirez in the bottom of the ninth, when he twirled around on a 1-0 pitch, was the worst call I have ever seen in baseball. And it's not even close. Didn't hurt the Yanks, because he flew out to center on the next pitch, but it was absolutely the worst, easily displacing Don Denkinger's "safe" call of Jorge Orta at first base in the 1985 World Series against the Cardinals. And that was horrendous.

• In case some of you Pirates and Brewers fans are wondering, you start counting outs to the pennant when you have nine left. I'm coining the phrase now, it's an "out-counting situation." So far in this series we've had two out-counting situations, and the Yanks blew them both.

• The Yanks and Sox have combined for 21 runs in 25½ innings over Games 4 and 5. Only 3.7 runs per team over nine innings. And yet I feel like this has been a hitter's series all the way. Oh, maybe it's because the Yankees left 32 (!) men on base during that time.

• New York is a big place, lots of transplants. We've got Cowboys fans, Steelers fans, Florida Gators fans, you name it. Anyway, in the first three games of the series, there were lots of Boston caps and jerseys in the bars. Last two games: not so much. I report, you decide.

• I've lost all respect for Mets fans — and I didn't have much to begin with — since I've discovered almost all of them are rooting for the Red Sox. I absolutely respect non-Gay-Rod-shirt-wearing Sox fans — it's just baseball, after all — but when I see a dork in a Mets cap cheering "Yes!" after a Yanks whiff, I think he should deported from the Big Apple. Have some respect, man. At least stay home and admire your Mo Vaughn baseball cards, you pathetic, straw-grasping weasel.

• Lots of people are asking, Do you want the 'Stros or Cards? Right now I want the pennant. But I keep saying the NL teams are pretty much the same: great lineups, decent pitching, good home crowds (since, unlike Atlanta, they're not bored yet of losing in the postseason). I just hope we get to face one of them. I would like to see Clemens make another start at the Stadium, though, 'cause I think we'd blast the absolute shit out of him. Then again, we couldn't hit a 55-m.p.h. knuckler needing one run to get to the World Series.

• Just wondering, Is Curt Schilling gonna talk about shutting up 55,000 fans again? Also wondering if I'm gonna have to rely on Kevin Brown in a Game 7. Stay tuned for more throw-up games, courtesy of the series that seemingly won't end!

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Comments: Thoughts on ALCS Game 5

You're right, FOX really needs to cut down on the fan shots. Cutting to nine different sections of the bleachers between every pitch is a little much. A guy on the radio this morning said it very similarly to the way you did: "We get it. Every person in the crowd has a look on their face like A-Rod just hit a homerun, carried the bat around the bases, then went into the fan's house and used the same bat to hit their puppy in the face."

Also, does Bill Simmons get to celebrate if the Sox win the pennant? If they win, I won't read his column about it (at least not without puking). In his Game Three recap he publically gave up on his team when they were still alive, something no fan should ever do. Even a Boston fan, who's used to getting set up for failure. I believe Mr. Yogi had a pretty good quote about when it's over... maybe Sox fans purposely don't abide by Yankee quotes?

Posted by RP at October 19, 2004 1:32 AM

FOX keeps showing these Red Sox women praying, like they are holding their rosaries for Ramirez. Pathetic. Praying to Zeus makes more sense.

There were lots of people from Scotland, Australia, and other such places in Yogi's during tonight's game. I tried to explain the significance of all this to some of them, but they didn't want to listen. And we thought there were only Ugly Americans.

PK passed by Yogi's after the game, but should have come in to get really drunk before he posted his report. Then it would have been extra-nasty.

We do need Cass at Yogi's, though. None of these non-American girls danced on the bar.

Posted by Eddie at October 19, 2004 1:56 AM

Trust me, I was plenty drunk when I saw you in front of Yogi's. I was at Brother Jimmy's for five hours, and I wasn't drinking water, not in pint glasses and not in shot glasses.

Posted by Paul Katcher at October 19, 2004 6:16 AM

1971 Pitts Pirates beat Balt Orioles, 4 games to 3 in 68th World Series

1979 Pitts Pirates beat Balt Orioles, 4 games to 3 in 76th World Series

Thanks for the refresher on counting down the final outs. After 25 years it's getting hard to remember. Of course we have our fond memories of Sid Bream beating Barry Bond's throw home.

Posted by art at October 19, 2004 7:34 AM

1) way too many fan shots, and too many signs.

2) Manny's non strike was terrible, but so was the strike on ortiz where he clearly didn't come around. Two iffy calls at second (neither conclusive despite what Buck says), yet not once did the announcers bring up the fact that Cairo very well may have been out at home:

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Posted by g at October 19, 2004 9:39 AM

If the Yanks are Pedro's daddy, Rivera must be the Sox bitch....

Posted by Big Papi at October 19, 2004 9:55 AM

Am I the only one sick of that little cartoon baseball? Followed by Al Leiter?, explaining how to throw pitches.

Posted by Danny at October 19, 2004 10:08 AM

Do any of you really want this to end before seven games? Let's face it. The World Series will be another yawn after this series. I don't mind the Red Sox winning a few. I'd rather the Yankees win in NY. As for Manny getting out of a strike, didn't they say that Jeter missed Ortiz on the out at second? I'll take that trade anytime.

Posted by Larryt at October 19, 2004 10:09 AM

Hey man, cut Mo some slack...it's tough pitching while wearing 4 World Series Rings.

I got a call from Francona last night. He was looking for somebody slower than Ortiz to steal bases with the game on the line. That being said, it was kindof a good call...caught EVERBODY off guard including Posada...and he was safe.

I hope early in the game tonight somebody throws at Ortiz and Manny like Petey threw at Hideki and Alex.

And while I give kudos to the Red Sox for being pesky and hanging in there, the entire Red Sox Nation disappeared when they were down 3-0? I guess I can't blame them.

Posted by Nick at October 19, 2004 10:24 AM

Not true Nick, after being down 3-0, I left comment at SP, I still believe.

Posted by Danny at October 19, 2004 10:29 AM

larryt, what about the impending world series makes you think it'll be a yawn? if it's cards-yanks you'd have the best teams in each league facing off. the yankees speak for themselves while the cards have the most balanced team in baseball with five fifteen game winners, gold gloves all around the field, a potent lineup with a top five hitter in pujols, a good bullpen, and clutch, two-out hitters.

the astros went 36-10 to make the playoffs and are practically unbeatable at home now, 22 of their last 23. lidge is the only other closer in mariano's league right now, the killer b's and kent are hitting, beltran is watching his price skyrocket, and clemens vs. the yanks? a team with 40 world series appearances against a team with none?

and if the red sox somehow make history and win the pennant you get to watch their fans' hopes go nuts just before the nl team crushes them yet another time in six or seven. nothing to yawn at about any of that.

Posted by at October 19, 2004 10:36 AM

shit, forgot to post my name on the previous post, hate the anonymous tag.

Posted by cubbiephil at October 19, 2004 10:38 AM

No need to tell a Cubs fan about "out-counting situations". We are so, so there...

Although Verducci can be grating, he said it well in a recent SI, "..to those faithful to the Cubbies and the Sox, what defines the ball clubs better than the catastrophes themselves is what follows. The franchises exist not to fail but to try and try again. They exist for that one time when it is meant to be."

The hell with that existential bullshit. I want my team to win. Which, of course, is why Red Sox fans hate the Yankees so damn much; Yankee teams win, and Red Sox teams don't.

But just maybe this year...

Posted by lucy at October 19, 2004 11:18 AM

Damn, Paul, still crying about that last game in Arizona?

Give it up. I wish I could have watched your reaction to that hit. Now that would be funny.

It will also be funny to watch Schilling go in and shut your precious yankers down in game 6.

Posted by at October 19, 2004 11:47 AM

Excellent post cubbiephil! Reminding us all (and hopefully the Yanks this year) that the 2004 World Series will be just as compelling as extending "86 Years of Misery" for one more year.

I, for one, LOVE seeing the anguish on Red Sox fans' faces - and can't get enough of it. I pray all summer long for this matchup and find myself a-glow in the GLORY of the tension/dispair I see played out for 4, 5 (can we do 6?) hours each night.

I think Sting once described some technique where he could drag an orgasm out that long. Have yet to meet a woman who could (or want) to do this... but who needs the Sting Method when we have Red Sox Nation literally pulling their hair out on National TV every October?

Hopefully there'll be more than a handful in the Bronx to witness the inevitable.

Posted by Ed at October 19, 2004 11:55 AM

That strike call was worse than Denkinger's call? hahahaha.....surely you jest. Nothing is worse than that.

Posted by Travis at October 19, 2004 11:56 AM

Thanks for the out counting clarification for us Brew Crew fans. I was about 4 months old the last time the Crew was bothered with the post-season.

Posted by Mike at October 19, 2004 12:02 PM

Yes, the fan shots are getting old, but not as old as the "count the nose-hairs" close-ups of the Red Sox pitchers. Arroyo should certainly be Boston's representative to the "All-Ugly Nine."

Posted by John at October 19, 2004 12:07 PM

I never thought I'd see the day where I was at sports bar, there was Monday Night Football AND Game 5 of a tied NLCS and I didn't see one live play from either. Except those Zelasko updates where everyone yelled, "Nobody cares! Change your hair style again!"

Posted by Paul Katcher at October 19, 2004 12:29 PM

Since you mentioned the Brewers, it's funny how fans expectations are different. The Selig family is selling the Brewers and the new owner is expected to raise the payroll by 50 percent, buoying optimism here in cheeseland.

Of course, increasing annual payroll from $27 million to $40 million still dooms the team to a likely losing season, but at least the team will only be $20 million behind the Twins in payroll now.

Posted by Joe DiGiovanni at October 19, 2004 1:08 PM

Yanks are a bit of a favorite in Vegas tonight, at -130 to -140. I guess we're all waiting to see what Schilling has got, or if he's only going because the Sox just don't have a rested arm.

I think Leiber may have the only rested arm on either team.

Gotta figure Posada and Varitek are also running on fumes, having caught for what amounts to about three games in two nights.

Waiting... waiting... wish these games started on Tom Coughlin time.

Posted by Paul Katcher at October 19, 2004 1:54 PM

Surprised the yanks aren't bigger favorites. Schilling is a crapshoot, and lieber at the stadium is clutch.

Posted by g at October 19, 2004 2:11 PM

Paul....Don't hate the Mets fans for cheering for the Red Sox. Dude, if you took of your blinders for a minute you may realize that 99% of the nation is rooting for the Red Sox. I'm rooting for the Sox, not because I like them, but because I loath the Yankees. Don't believe me? True story...

Last night I was at the Monday Night Football game between the Rams and Bucs. Every tv in the sky boxes had on one of the baseball games, AL or NL. The Sox won their game during the middle of the halftime show. Then out of nowhere a collective cheer happened. A half empty dome sounded like it was filled with people.It came from all the sky boxes when the Sox won the game. There is no vested interest in the Sox winning the game for St. Louis fans....so why the eruption of applause? Because it's fun to watch the Yankees lose.

And come on...let's face it....as bad as the Mets have been, it's a lot easier to root against the Yankees, than to root for the Mets....

Posted by Ed at October 19, 2004 4:21 PM

Since tonight's game is at the stadium, fox will have to resort to crowd shots from inside Boston pubs again- I'm sure they'll be showing plenty of "please, please, please, God, let Gabe Kapler reach first base" moments.

Posted by sk at October 19, 2004 6:56 PM
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