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Friday, September 17, 2004

Yanks, Sox Fans: Act Your Age (Players, Too)
When the 2004 season started, I thought the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry would claim a life. I was thinking mostly in terms of heart attacks. Now I'm leaning toward a violent altercation.

Hopefully, it won't happen this weekend, as John Kerry's favorite slugger, "Manny Ortez," and the rest of the unlovable losers take their final trip to the Bronx — at least for the regular season.

I've long thought the deterioration of fan behavior is threatening the enjoyment of live sporting events. We don't need stadiums filled with Ward and June Cleavers, but I'm sick of the liquorheads who make our home parks their vulgar playgrounds. We should remember the big hits and big strikeouts, not the big plate of nachos dumped on someone's head. Funny when written here. Dreadfully embarrassing and downright dangerous in real life.

I've seen opposing fans' caps stolen right off their heads and flung from the upper deck. I've seen caps burned in the bleachers. I've witnessed countless ugly fights and acts of mob cowardice, from the throwing of food at fans (from 10 rows back) to the I-didn't-see-anything attitude of those seated around them. I've seen opposing fans challenge anyone to step to them and "go." Someone always does. Then they both go ... to jail.

At Yankee Stadium, beer sales are prohibited in the bleachers, home to some of the most "passionate" fans. What does it say about their passion when their money is no good at the beer counter? (It says here it sucks. Yes, more than the Red Sox, you suck ... at living.) I asked a New York cop once when was the last time he was summoned to a physical altercation in which one party wasn't drunk. He told me he'd never seen a fight where both weren't drunk. A Baltimore police sergeant reiterated the same last weekend.

This crap doesn't happen only in New York. I was verbally harassed, many times, for wearing a Giants jersey in New Orleans, and a Yankees jersey in Chicago and Baltimore. I was spoken to first each time. I was screamed at, ordered, (threatened?) to go back to New York by a drunken assclown in a Chicago bar. I was wearing a fucking shirt! I've been told to not even think about wearing Yankees apparel to Fenway. That's not the baseball I know. All of a sudden there's a dress code, with potential dangers if not abided by? Like I would stand for that.

When I was a student at Syracuse University, I used to look forward to home football games against big schools. That meant a chance to drink and chat with thousands of fans from Texas and Virginia and Florida, starting with happy hour on Friday. And come Saturday, we'd head to our respective seats and yell our asses off. There were no fights, no risks based on what you wore. It was a fucking football game, for god's sake.

A lot has been made about Monday's fracas at Oakland, where Rangers reliever Frank Francisco threw a chair into the stands and broke the nose of a wife of the man who'd been heckling him. Clearly, control isn't Frankie's strong point. She didn't deserve what happened. Maybe the guy didn't either. Some fans do. The fans in Cleveland who heckled David Wells about his deceased mother did. The Cubs fan who tried to steal catcher Chad Kreuter's cap did. The Indians fan, of all people, who mocked Albert Belle's treatment for alcohol addiction did.

The worst ever: the Arizona State student body, who, in 1984, who chanted "PLO" two days after Arizona freshman Steve Kerr's father was murdered in Lebanon. Kerr scored 20 points in the first half and went on to become an NBA champion. I can only imagine what became of those cretins who turned a son's grief into gamesmanship.

Fans often chastise players for not recognizing their status as role models. But fans are role models, too. A difference in income is not an excuse to act like an asshole. If you want to go out and continue the honored tradition of Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Don Mattingly, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski and Dwight Evans, then see if you can sit through nine innings without acting like a jerk.

That being said, it would be nice if there were no on-field altercations between the Yanks and Sox, as well. Game 3 of last year's ALCS was embarrassing (thanks, Pedro and Manny!). July's fight between Alex Rodriguez and Jason Varitek was embarrassing (enough blame to go around). As we head toward October and the stakes rise, this rage, this hate, might be reaching unsafe levels. And I'm not kidding.

I don't care if your team made it to Game 7 of the 1946 World Series, after 28 years of not winning a title, and you lost in Game 7. I don't care if you returned 21 years after that and lost in Game 7. Or eight years after that and lost in Game 7. Or 11 years after that and, yep, lost in Game 7. I don't care if you lost in Game 7 in last year's ALCS and got punk'd with the signing of A-Rod soon thereafter. Act like an adult.

Today's Sports Links:

Chair-Throwing Not Fans' FaultSalon's King Kaufman's thoughtful essay on why we're painting with too-broad strokes when placing blame on fans for what Frank Francisco did.

Classless Fans Ruin it for Everyone Else — Radio personality J.T. the Brick writes, "Several fans called my show in outrage this week because they feel that they can't take their kids to games anymore because of the foul language that permeates around them."

Moon Shines Among All-Time QBs — SI.com' Duane B. Cross makes a case for the CFL legend and NFL superstar as the greatest quarterback in football history. My pick, without hesitation: Joe Montana. You have to look for chinks in that armor. And ya know what? Whatever flaw you come up with, show me how it affected his teams one iota.

Dr. Z.'s NFL Power Rankings — Every site has power rankings, but Zimmermann's are always the best. Z's moves the Cowboys up from 25 to 12, despite a loss, based on Vinny's solid showing. I still say they suck. He's got the Giants at 31, second-worst in the league. Hey Texans, we'll kick your ass! (I think.)

Gammons: Free-Agent Market Projections for 2005 — Carl Pavano and Pedro Martinez will be the best pitchers available. And as a Yanks fan, it's a tough decision: we'll take both!

Cupid's Arrow Strikes Sports Bars — An ESPN.com Page 3 piece on where to meet sports-minded chicks. Duh, at sports-related venues. It follows what I always say, "Do what you do and eventually you'll find someone with like interests." Which is why I never understood why the supermarket is a great place to meet women. What are you going to have in common with them, turnips?

25 College Hoops Games to See — Manhattan vs. N.C. State is on the list, but not UConn-Syracuse. Thought a matchup of the last two national champions might be interesting. I guess not as much as those Jaspers!

Rob Neyer Hates One Day at Fenway — The baseball writer bashes Steve Kettmann's book, then gets caught in a tangled web of Amazon.com reviews.

Carmen Electra's Naked Women's Wrestling League — As long as the Fabulous Moolah ain't involved, I'm all for it. (Speaking of, I really should do an entire post on Moolah one of these days. How's Monday sound?)

All-Vitale Teams From ESPN Era — Dickie V. looks back at 25 years of yelling and kissing ACC ass. There is one friggin' Syracuse guy on the list, Pearl Washington as an All-Thomas Edison Point Guard (innovator and creator). Derrick Coleman, second all-time in rebounds, isn't an All-Windex Glass Eater. But he's got one helluva rap sheet.

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Comments: Yanks, Sox Fans: Act Your Age (Players, Too)

Very interesting story on a man who bought out all of right field at Dodger Stadium for two of the last three games of the season, in the hopes of getting Barry Bonds' 700th home run. Now it appears Bonds' milestone shot will come much sooner.

He's been selling the seats for a huge profit over the $3.50 each the Dodgers charged him as part of a group ticket sale.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1882812

Posted by Paul Katcher at September 17, 2004 2:30 AM

I went to KU and was a big fan of all their sports even football. Ku v MU has got to be the "Yanks v Red Sox" rivalry in College. Our (KU) band doesn't travel to MU anymore after being pelted with glass beer bottles from past games. When we were traveling back to the car an 80 year old lady was kind enough to tell us "F... YOU" as she showed us her middle finger was still in working order. MU fans behind us had rocks and AA batteries that were tossed in the same manner as the "food fights" that go on at the NY games.
It would be nice if some school's fans' or pro teams fans stepped up and actually helped each other out at games or just say "good game" when the opposing team wins. It would be nice but wont happen!

Posted by Hallas at September 17, 2004 9:30 AM

Sometimes you just want to take people and shake them and scream "IT'S JUST SPORTS BRO...RELAX"

I was out last night with two buddies (ones a Sox fan ones a Yanks fan) last night discussing this very topic. One of them told a story of a coworker who's a Yanks fan who was in Boston with 2 tickets to a game, but something came up and he could go. He walks over to a guy and his young son (8 or so) and asks them if they'd like to go to the game. Of course they would. The guy hands the tickets to the boy and says "just remember a Yankee fan gave you these". Are fans role models? I think that question is answered by the boys response..."Yankees suck".

Posted by Nick at September 17, 2004 11:27 AM

Nice post. I couldn't agree more with the drunken stupidity. Unfortunately I saw it several times even when I was in college myself, but yes, it really is just sports. A rivalry is a lot less fun when it turns into a brawl rather than just a taunting opportunity.

Posted by Pat at September 17, 2004 12:34 PM

Nice piece, Paul.

I learned a long time ago how bad fans can be: I was playing hockey on a New York-based travel team. We were in the championship series against Canadian teams in Montreal (playing at the Forum!), and the fans got unruly. When we took a lead in the first game, parents and "fans" dumped their concession stand fare (hot chocolate, donuts, coffee, Coke) on our players, on the bench. On the way to game two, they "rocked" our team bus and threw coins at us. Our coaches pulled us out of the series and brought us home. Average age of players: 9.

I wear my Yanks cap in any park at any game - I'm a fan of baseball in general, and the Bombers in particular. But it does feel a little bit "bloods v. crips" out there at times.

T.

Posted by Tommy at September 17, 2004 12:59 PM

Paul,

Great Piece. I'm as passionate about sports as most people (I think) but people clearly need to understand how to behave in public. I have a 1/4 share of season tickets in the bleachers for the SF Giants, and my buddy and I go to a lot of games. We get pretty drunk at times, but we keep it clean when taunting the outfielders as we're both aware there are families nearby.

The worst part of the Oakland A's incident is that it may be another step towards limiting alcohol sales even further at sporting events. I've heard rumors some stadiums are considering limiting fans to one beer per person after a certain point (half-time, 5th inning, etc.) which means I'll either have to make two trips to get two beers or drag my wife or buddy to the beer stand with me.

Just another classic example of a few imbeciles who can't control themselves ruining a good time for the rest of us.

I bought a "Red Sox Suck" t-shirt a while ago as a joke, but I've never been able to bring myself to wear it out in public - I'd think about it, and then decide in the end it's just a little too tasteless.

Posted by TTman at September 17, 2004 1:13 PM

John Kruk's latest column is on fan behavior. Nothing too surprising, basically agreeing with all of us. A few bad apples, ya know. But I think the decent fans should step up, too, and take action against this stuff. I know I've alerted Yankee Stadium security on a couple of instances:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kruk/040917


On a sports-related note, Bill Simmons has posted his Week 2 picks. Gotta admit, he's pretty good at beating the spread:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/040917

Posted by Paul Katcher at September 17, 2004 1:33 PM

I go to 20 Dodger games a year and I've never seen a fight, although Ive seen lots of sloppy drunk folks. Dodger fans don't care enough to fight over anything.

Derek Lowe would look pretty good with the Dodger infield behind him....

Posted by Dave at September 17, 2004 2:08 PM

What a great post, Paul.

I regularly attend Eagles and Phillies games in Philadelphia. The town of some of the most obnoxious, fickle and classless fans around. They throw snowballs at Santa and other teams. They threw beer bottles at other teams and their fans (bastards, now I have to drink my miller lite out of plastic bottles). John Kruk knows all about how Philly is and how they treat the players. He took his share of shit. The city of Philadelphia has put a courtroom in the Linc so when officers arrest a fan, they get charged there on the spot. They had to do this because opposing fans and others found that some of the Eagles fans behavior was dangerous and criminal at times. Judge Seamus McCafferty (the Eagles Judge who is a real judge) always ends each charge against a fan with "It's just a game". For those not in the know, if you ever want to go to an Eagles game DO NOT under any circumstances by 700 level seats. Those are the notorius asshole, game ruining fans.

I don't like that Jeter shirt at all.

I would wrestle naked with Carmen Electra:).

Posted by Cass at September 17, 2004 2:16 PM

Cass, that Jeter shirt is funny, because its TRUE.

Posted by Danny at September 17, 2004 2:28 PM

Great post Paul. This stuff is getting way to ugly in the stands and bars lately. Everyone appreciates creative heckling, but when you need to fight over who's sports team is better, it's time to let go a bit. We shouldn't need stuff like 9/11 or Pat Tillman dying to put sports in perspective anymore. Screw the Red Sox, they suck, but if they win a championship, screw the Red Sox, they suck. But any Yankee fan that feels the need to throw a drink on a Red Sox fan who feels otherwise (and I've seen it way too many times) is in a whole different league of sucking, and vice versa.

Posted by Netti at September 17, 2004 8:24 PM

I went to my first ball game in the late 1950's when I was a kid and my dad took me, my younger brother, and my mother to Yankee Stadium. We went at least once a year for many, many years. We also went to see the Mets when they started in 1962.

I haven't been back to Yankee Stadium since 1993, and to Shea in about 4-5 years. You couldn't get me back there with a free, first-row, field level box seat ticket, sitting next to Carmen Electra.

My last Yankee game I saw Steve Howe, officially caught seven times as a dope cheat, on the mound for the Yankees. I asked myself why I was paying money to see these types of guys. I think you know my answer, and that was before the widespread use of steroids was well-known.

Now it sounds like the assholes among the fans are dominating the atmosphere. I could never recommend taking any of my family there.

And I remain someone who earns his living writing about sports, but about combat sports. As ironic as it may seem, the atmosphere at most fights is usually far different from what has been described here, although of course sometimes a handful of idiots get out of hand.

When athletes are hitting each other, it almost always makes them respect each other. They know what it means to hit and be hit, and do not take it lightly. Yes, trash talking has become too common in boxing, but most of it is contrived hype to sell tickets and pay-per-view buys. And that even goes for some of the roughest characters around, including Tyson and Hopkins.

It's a shame, but unless and until more fans vote with their feet and wallets, it will only worsen, just as our society's culture coarsens even more.

Posted by Eddie at September 17, 2004 9:03 PM

I watch ESPN classics, and see the majority of men in the stands wearing shirts and ties, be it any sport from baseball to NASCAR. Cheering and acting like fans, but gentlemen first.
Now at the events I attend, it's not unusual to see a fan with no pants. Fights? Only at every NFL game I've attended (Eagles games in particular). It's the decline of society as a whole, I guess.

Posted by Neal at September 17, 2004 10:53 PM

Nice pitching Rivera!!!!

What a catch by soon to be MVP Manny Ramirez!!!

Foulke this!!!

That's one!!

and then it was 2 1/2....GO SOX!!

Posted by Johnny Damon at September 18, 2004 12:46 AM

As sad as it sounds, the days of wearing your team's jersey to an opposing teams stadium has past. Yeah it sux but you are just asking for trouble. I would NEVER do this because all it takes is just one idiot to punch you or whatever and there you are with broken teeth, nose, whatever.

Being a fan of all Philly teams, I've seen this happen all to often. I've seen guys in Rangers jerseys getting pummelled at the Wachovia Center (then Corestates Center) or Cowboys fans getting beat on at the Vet. Wear your jersey at home but not the stadium.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Posted by Chris at September 18, 2004 2:32 PM

I recall going to a Yankees' game about 20 years ago with three friends. We were all sitting in a field box, right next to each other.

I was wearing a Yankees' cap. One of my friends had on a Dodgers' cap, the next one a Tigers' cap, and the third one an Expos' cap, all signifying where they were originally from.

We had a grand old time.

If you cannot do something like that anymore at a ball game, then just stay home.

If the criminals who attack other fans are allowed to run amuck, then let those venues which appease them just go out of business.

Someone has to stand up when our culture takes a dive.

Posted by Eddie at September 19, 2004 8:03 PM

i too hate the way dickie v. verbally fellates the acc everytime he opens his mouth but i thought i'd point out that he lists 11 of your big east alums to only 7 acc players on his all-vitale teams. no love, deservedly so, for my big ten with only 3, same as the pac 10.

Posted by cubbiephil at September 20, 2004 12:41 PM
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