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Friday, June 13, 2003

Head 2 Head: Lovable Baseball Losers
Here's how Head 2 Head works: I throw out a debate between two people, places or things, and you settle it by posting a comment.

Today's question is, Even if you're not a fan, which team is the more lovable loser, the Cubs or the Red Sox?

Chicago Cubs: 1908 World Series Champions
Pros: Their home, Wrigley Field, is known as the Friendly Confines, not the House of Massholes... Stadium surrounded by bars, where fans have drank away sorrows for decades... Cubs don't really entertain thoughts of ever having a competitive ballclub, thus limiting the smack talk... Rotating seventh-inning stretch singer of "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" on track to be one of the 21st century's greatest baseball traditions... Monty Brewster and Ferris Bueller were Cubs fans, and they knew how to party.
Cons: Having not won a World Series in 95 years, Cubs fans can actually take shit from Red Sox fans... Most memorable moments at home (Ruth's called shot, Schmidt's four HRs) are accomplishments by visiting teams... If they ever won, it would ruin one of the great storylines in baseball history.

Boston Red Sox: 1918 World Series Champions
Pros: Name me three baseball teams off the top of your head. Red Sox are in there every time... For five decades, from 1939 to 1989, Ted Williams, Carl Yastrzemski and Jim Rice — all lifetime Red Sox — guarded the Green Monster... Sox fans know baseball history; they don't just show up to get drunk and tan in the bleachers...Their Game 7 loss in 1946 deprived fans who'd been waiting 28 years for a World Series victory. That was 57 years and three Game 7's ago (1967, '75, '86). How much more can these people take?
Cons: Delusional Sox fans think they actually have a chance to erase the Curse of the Bambino every fall... Ben Affleck is a Red Sox fan... If they ever won, it would ruin one of the great storylines in baseball history.

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Comments: Head 2 Head: Lovable Baseball Losers

After the Cubs took two of three from the Yanks last week, Chicago could go 1-299 in its next 300 games and I would be pointing fingers at the sole victory.

But nothing in sports would upset me more than a Red Sox World Series victory. I would rather the Mets throw four perfect games against the Yankees to win a Subway Series than to see the Red Sox end over eight decades of misery. In New England, grandfathers, fathers and sons have shed tears after Game 7 losses, and here's hoping it continues. Someone pass the Kleenex.

Posted by Paul Katcher at June 13, 2003 12:49 AM

You really hate them don't you Paul!!

Posted by D at June 13, 2003 1:11 AM

This is easy: Cubs are the more loveable losers. But they don't have anything to do with it; it's just because Sox fans [the real ones, not the casual ones] are just so ... so ... unlikeable.

I'm a NY-area native who moved to the Boston area 8 years ago. I have never seen anything as sad as a Sox fan. Paul, you're on the money: *every* spring we have to listen to the "this is our year" stuff. The Sox have a decent early part of the season, and the sportscasters can't shut up about it. And then the Sox tank in the last part of the seasaon. Or lose to the Yankees in the playoffs. One or the other.

These are the people who chanted "Yankees suck" during Bill Belichek's speech at the Patriots' Super Bowl Rally, which I watched live on TV. They are so jealous of the Yankees that they couldn't enjoy a Super Bowl victory!

Therefore, by default, Cubs fans are more lovable.

Posted by bhw at June 13, 2003 4:10 AM

Being a lifelong Cub fan I have to say the Cubs luck is by far worse than the Red Sox. 2 World titles 1907, 1908 last apperance was 1945 at least the Red Sox had a few. In 1969 the Cubs blew a 9 game lead to the Mets. In 1984 they were 1 game away from facing the Tigers in the World Series. Curses Black Cats and a Billy Goat. If the Cubs win the world series it will be the biggest sports story of the last 50 years.

My top 3 ballparks
1. Wrigley Field(Beer, beautiful women, and its the largest beer garden in the world)
2. Yankee Stadium it has history but is falling apart
3. Dodger Stadium(what a view of the mountains)

Fenway just plain sucks that sould be torn down and it smells

Posted by Brian at June 13, 2003 4:42 AM

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/caple/030612.html

Posted by Sox Fan at June 13, 2003 11:06 AM

Paul - you're missing the boat here. I've lived in NYC & Boston, but grew up on Chicago's South Side. The most lovable losers are the true dyed-in-the wool blue collar fans of the Chicago White Sox. You look it up- the White Sox last won it all in 1917 - BEFORE the Red Sox last did. Cub and Red Sox fans are delusional - White Sox fans are resigned to their fate.

We suffer. I'm not talking about the shirtless tattooed pillheads or the south suburban little kids.. there is a die-hard population, in the city, that suffers quietly. Part of us died with the old Comiskey Park, where the outfield view beautifully framed the city skyline. The new Comiskey points SOUTH, into the urban desolation that is the Robert Taylor homes. The new park defines sterility. The owner is a public relations nightmare. The star of the team is not any good anymore, and he's a jerk. We know we're not ever going to win the World Series (that whole 'Black Sox' affair took care of that), and that going to games will require a permanent cringe as we sit in our plasticene seats and climb the steepest upper deck in baseball, hear our manufactured ultra slick PA announcer, and get busted for sneaking the same whiskey into the yard that we did years ago at the old yard across the street.

The headaches are enough to drive many of us away for good. But some of us are still around, and when the Cubs take the field against us for their yearly asskicking, we'll be there, even if we have to sit in our plasticene seats. It's the one pleasure we have left. That, and our dream of setting things right for Shoeless Joe. We embrace the heroes of the past, even if the ownership doesn't (check out www.blackbetsy.com).

We have a theory that is undeniable: Put the ChiSox in Wrigley, and they sell out all summer just the same. Put the Jim Rose Circus Sideshow freaks in Wrigley, and it sells out all summer. Put the Cubs in the New Comiskey and nobody will go.

Yet it is what it is, and we still head out to the yard, disgusted. And Reinsdorf (who is from Brooklyn, after all, he knows the drill) leads us into suffering.

So show some love. Cub and Red Sox fans at least have fun watching their teams lose every year. And I'd like to thank the Yankee faithful for allowing me into their ranks during my New York City years (96-99). I felt like an outsider, but Yankee fans showed me a part of following baseball that I didn't know existed.

Posted by Jamie at June 13, 2003 11:30 AM

Hmmm... right now I'd have to choose the Red Sox, but that's only because J-Lo has become an occasional fan. In general, it's the Cubs. For some reason, the Sox seem more focused on outdoing the Yankees than just playing their game and winning. Don't get me wrong, I know why they're focused on the Yankees... I just think they need to get over their pennant envy and just play.

Posted by CJ at June 13, 2003 12:44 PM

definately the Cubs, Paul. C'mon!!! You knew that.

Posted by Mark at June 13, 2003 1:35 PM

I have to go with the Cubs here. Being born in NJ (family later moved to TX), having the two wackiest Yankee fans for a father and grandfather, and one of my best friends being a huge Yankee fan, I respect the greatness that is the Yankees. I have absolutely no love for that which is known as a Red Sox or a Red Sox fan. The worst vacation in my life was a trip to see the foliage in New England and spending a couple days in Boston. Talk about rude. Don't even get me started on the fact that Punky Brewster was a big fan of the cubs which in itself is reason enough to root for the Cubs. And don't pull this Sosa tainted the team with his cork bat shit with me. He's not the only one corking up his wood.

Posted by Lauren at June 13, 2003 1:43 PM

Hmmm...this is a tough one, but I'd have to say the Cubs are slightly more loveable simply because of a certain fuzzy ineptitude. The Wrigley people seem perfectly happy to sell out every game and throw players like Keith Moreland out there, while the Sox do seem to try a bit harder. The Red Sox losing streak I think is more due to a luck factor rather than the Cubs' studied mediocrity.

Of course, I also think that 95% of Sox "fans" are really just pointy-headed intellectuals who latch onto the tragedy of the losing streak in an attempt to stay in touch with the common people.

Advantage: Cubs.

Of course, in reality, there's nothing loveable about losers, or I'd be getting some action right now instead of writing about the Cubs.

Posted by Ken Goldstein at June 14, 2003 5:28 PM

Buffalo Bills. Yeah, I know, they're not a baseball team, but football is just more fun. And really, they lost four superbowls in a row and the city still gave them a parade. Now, that's lovable.

Posted by Larry at June 19, 2003 4:22 PM
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